Various and Sundry

Some random things that may be of interest:

  • Ethan Siegel has a discussion of “vibe physics“, people convincing themselves that they can solve fundamental scientific problems by chatting with an LLM. For a story about one billionaire doing this, see here.

    LLMs should be much better than the usual crackpots at generating worthless papers about theoretical physics, likely should be able to generate papers not easy to distinguish from a lot of what is on the arXiv. I’m wondering how much of this has already happened.

    In math, Daniel Litt has noticed a bunch of recent LLM-generated worthless papers on the Hodge conjecture. As examples, he points to these, four papers posted during the past month. Unfortunately the arXiv does not seem to now have an effective way to protect itself against these things getting posted, or to get them removed once identified (Daniel identified them publicly two weeks ago, no indication anything will be done about this).

  • Also on the arXiv is an article by George Lusztig which goes over some history, with this summary

    By publishing this document I aim to rectify the historical narrative for the benefit of the mathematical community and of the general public and to ensure that proper attribution and academic integrity is upheld by all.
    I trust that all readers -including Kashiwara- will recognize these established facts:

    (a) The canonical basis was first defined in my work [L90] and Kashiwara’s subsequent contribution built directly on this foundation.
    (b) The crystal basis is not solely Kashiwara’s discovery.

    And everyone who knows the history would suggest Kashiwara to publicly acknowledge (a) and (b), to correct all false and misleading information once and for all.

  • Another one has been added to the list of Leinweber Institutes for Theoretical Physics, discussed here. It’s the new Leinweber Institute for Theoretical Physics at Stanford, previously called the Stanford Institute for Theoretical Physics.
  • UCSB has announced that they’ve digitized Joe Polchinski’s papers. The link they give doesn’t appear to work and I don’t know of any other way to access this archive. The link now works.
  • The Chinese each year are now organizing a conference that covers mathematics and theoretical physics on a truly massive scale, called the International Congress of Basic Science. You can keep busy by watching 390 talks on Youtube.
  • At Strings 2025 earlier this year there was not yet a plan for a Strings 2026. The Chinese have also taken this on, Strings 2026 will be in Shanghai.
  • For a podcast worth watching, see Curt Jaimungal’s interview with Nikita Nekrasov.
  • For another one, there’s Sean Carroll talking to David Tong. I especially recommend the part around 52 minutes in, where Tong advertises a crucial hole in our understanding of the Standard Model: the non-perturbative formulation of the chiral gauge theory of the electroweak sector, in particular the lack of a viable lattice formulation.
  • Last month there was the Open Symposium on the European Strategy for Particle Physics in Venice. Crucial numbers are in this report: 8-9 billion to build a linear collider, a big new ring (FCC) would be 15 billion for an initial lepton machine, another 19 for a higher energy proton machine (these are rough numbers, think of as dollars, euros or swiss francs). The FCC project has been the leading proposal, but the crucial question is whether such a thing is financially viable.

Update: Daniel Litt has also written about this on his blog. There’s a comment there from “knzhou” saying
“This is also happening in hep-ph, which now has an average of 1-2 nonsensical papers per day.”


Update
: Terry Tao’s NSF grant at UCLA has been suspended (along with 279 others), because UCLA is “antisemitic” since there were anti-genocide protests there last year. Unclear to me in this case which pro-genocide forces are collaborating with the dictator to shutdown Terry Tao, and why they are doing it.

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25 Responses to Various and Sundry

  1. X says:

    UCSB appears to intend “digitized” to mean “created an online index” rather than the ordinary understanding “made available online”.

  2. Peter Woit says:

    X,
    Yes, but is there a working link to that index?

  3. Peter Woit says:

    Looks like the link has now been fixed.

  4. Peter Shor says:

    For the colliders, rather than asking whether they are financially viable, I think physicists should seriously consider what the chances are of not discovering anything new. Imagine the fallout from newspaper headlines “Particle theorists spend $30 billion on new supercollider, discover nothing.”

    Recall that the LHC was guaranteed to discover something new (either the Higgs or the lack of a Higgs, which would have been much more exciting). Will this be true of the next collider?

  5. Peter Woit says:

    Peter Shor,
    No guarantees this time. There’s a lot to be said about the scientific case for these colliders and that’s what most of the talks were about. This is part of a process leading to a report next January. That will give the best judgment of the experimental HEP community about which if any of these to try and build. That will be the time for a public discussion about whether the best plan physicists can come up with is worth the money it would take to implement. I don’t think there’s much point in arguing now against a plan that doesn’t yet exist.

    I was giving those numbers just because they’re crucial, but rarely emphasized, buried deep in the materials for this conference. From my understanding of CERN finances and prospects for getting contributions from others, I don’t see how they can afford the 15 billion for a first stage (lepton) FCC ring. But, that’s been the leading proposal so far.

    To argue about whether to build a collider, the question of cost is crucial. If you could build the FCCee for 1 billion, something that would easily fit into the current CERN budget (about 1.5 billion/year), it would be worth doing, since you would at least be testing the Standard Model in new ways. Whether it would be worth 15 billion is a different question, but one that might be moot if there’s no way to get that sum.

    We’ll see what emerges in January.

  6. Mitchell Porter says:

    Are you aware of the recent feuds involving popular Youtuber “Professor Dave” (who is a regular debunker of pseudoscience), and critics of the HEP orthodoxy – first Eric Weinstein, and now Sabine Hossenfelder as well? He’s portraying them as agents of an oligarchic master plan by Peter Thiel, intended to sow doubt regarding mainstream institutions of knowledge.

  7. Peter Woit says:

    Mitchell Porter,
    I’ve briefly looked at this stuff. “Professor Dave” is a Youtube influencer with an undergrad degree in chemistry and about 4 million followers. That anyone would pay the slightest attention to what he has to say about something he knows nothing about (the state of research in fundamental physics) is just one more indication of how bad the problem of epistemic collapse has become…

  8. more AI-generated papers says:

    These 11 papers on the Math arXiv from May/June are also all AI-generated nonsense: https://arxiv.org/search/math?query=Zheng%2C+Dongzhe&searchtype=author

  9. Erhard Seiler says:

    AI pollution of scientific literature will certainly become a serious problem.
    I came across two papers that claim to have solved the millennium problem concerning Yang-Mills, which very strongly suggest AI authorship:
    — D.C. Jacobsen: arXiv:2506.00284
    — Logan Nye: https://doi.org/10.3390/ijt2010002
    The second one has actually been published in a journal unknown to me (International Journal of Topology) .

    I think in the future the arXiv and serious journals should at least require a statement of the authors about their use of AI, just like there are statements about conflicts of interest often required.

  10. Rollo Burgess says:

    Given that BS LLM generated papers are likely, if nothing is done, to become both more numerous and harder to identify, it would probably be a good idea for relevant fields to create some kind of code of conduct and norms about what constitutes responsible usage of these technologies to help with paper creation, including full disclosure of exactly how and for what AIs were used… with non or false disclosure to be treated like plagiarism or p-hacking or other species of academic malfeasance.

  11. Kevin Zhou says:

    To add more to my comment about AI-generated hep-ph papers: I primarily think about new kinds of precision experiments to search for BSM physics, particularly involving ultralight bosonic fields. It doesn’t require very complicated QFT, but it’s nontrivial for two reasons. First, one has to start from a Lagrangian and understand what it implies for a macroscopic detector full of interacting electrons, nuclei, and photons; calculating some free particle S-matrix element is rarely enough, and often leads to completely wrong estimates of signal strength, e.g. by dropping shielding, screening, binding, decoherence, reciprocal process, finite-size, or finite-time effects. Second, new experiments often require pushing equipment to work in new regimes, where novel noise sources can emerge. One really has to understand the physics of each detector to anticipate and estimate these noise sources.

    For these reasons, it has always been easy to write a paper that vastly overestimates the strength of a proposed experimental approach. Moreover, peer review at top journals like PRL has always been unreliable, because the subject is interdisciplinary. (The referee may be an experimentalist who can’t catch that the theoretical calculation of the signal is wrong, or a theorist who doesn’t know about noise sources that are being ignored.) AI-assisted papers make this problem worse since they let many people mass-produce papers that look reasonable at first glance, but are missing the more careful thought that would catch issues with the signal or noise. I don’t envy the editors of PRL.

    In the short term, this will just speed up the siloing of the field, where established groups avoid reading anything that wasn’t produced by a small number of peers. The long term threat is that governments could spend significant money on experiments that can’t possibly work. This is “fortunately” not an issue right now in the US, since even the experiments we _know_ can work are being defunded, but that’s another issue…

  12. Has also happened in astrophysics. I’ve notified arXiv of this paper:

    https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.19807

    In addition to LLM-generated text, it includes at least one LLM-hallucinated reference.

    The paper has now been withdrawn “due to serious violation of arXiv policies for acceptable submissions”. Of the three original authors, only one is listed in the withdrawal, so the issue may have been AI-generation not only of content but also of authors.

  13. anon says:

    Angela Collier, whose “String Theorists Lied to Us” video you recommended a while ago, has a pretty nice video on vibe physics if you’re at all interested!

  14. Peter Woit says:

    abc,
    Thanks. Tao does an excellent job of explaining the implications for mathematics research of this funding cutoff. I do think though he makes a mistake by not dealing with the underlying reason this is happening at UCLA and elsewhere (the campaign to stop criticism of Israeli genocide by tarring it as antisemitism and the Columbia capitulation encouraging wider use of the tactic of illegal taking of research funds).

    This is not something happening for unknown reasons or done by unknown people.

  15. Mitchell Porter says:

    Peter –

    “That anyone would pay the slightest attention to what he has to say about something he knows nothing about (the state of research in fundamental physics) is just one more indication of how bad the problem of epistemic collapse has become”

    He generally has physicist guests on to provide the technical details behind his claims. In fact, he has right now released another anti-Sabine video, in which Michael Peskin and Nick Warner (and four other physicists) defend the state of the field…

  16. Peter Woit says:

    Mitchell Porter,

    There’s plenty to reasonably critique about Sabine Hossenfelder’s arguments and how she is putting them forward. But she’s a serious person with a serious background in the field making serious arguments (sometimes lately expressed in an over the top manner…). Yes, “Professor Dave” has gotten some other physicists to appear on his show arguing against her. But he’s not trying to host a serious discussion, it’s just an intellectually dishonest propaganda campaign worse than anything she has ever done.

    The description of the video starts off
    “At this point, everyone who watches my content is well aware that Sabine is a disgusting fraud peddling propaganda for fascist oligarchs.”

    Whatever “Professor Dave” tells you, the state of parts of theoretical physics is not healthy and has not been healthy for a while. Just about any serious person in the field understands this, it’s not “propaganda” from “fascist oligarchs”. It’s also a complicated subject that you will learn nothing about by watching “Professor Dave” youtube videos. I wasted too much of my life trying to have serious arguments over these issues with people, but at the worst of it, none of that was as idiotic as this kind of worthless video.

    I’ll stick by my claim that “Professor Dave” is a poster boy for epistemic collapse.

  17. No Dog in the Fight says:

    It might have something to do with Tao giving a talk on a channel called “Scientific Webinars in Solidarity with Palestine”.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXqz5hgxlLM

  18. Peter Woit says:

    No Dog in the Fight,
    Thanks! I doubt though this has much to do with the UCLA grant cancellations, which have affected not just Tao, but everyone at UCLA, including people like Judea Pearl who strongly support grant cancellations because of antisemitism (just not theirs).

    https://www.science.org/content/article/nsf-and-nih-suspend-grants-ucla

  19. There were a bunch of math.CT AI papers earlier this year, and they were reclassified as math.GM when I complained about it. The person moved on and posted stuff under other areas. For me, I would like to see anyone whose papers were deemed to be AI-generated have all their endorsements stripped, and they should need to get fresh endorsements, probably more than one.

    As an aside, there doesn’t actually seem to be a category theorist amongst the arXiv mathematics moderators. Ideally every arXiv category math.XX (and of course, the same among the other areas it covers) has at least one corresponding moderator who has actually published papers where the arXiv-hosted preprint was primary listed under math.XX.

  20. Moreover, I would even go so far as to propose that anyone who endorses an AI-generated paper should have their endorser-status reset, so that they cannot immediately re-endorse the person who they originally endorsed, until they have submitted more papers as usual. It would be a bit of an incentive to actually look at the paper for fear of a relatively harmless removal of a privilege. Active researchers would get back to having endorser powers before too long…

  21. clueless_postdoc says:

    I’ve been following the Sabine/Eric spectacle for a while, and recently out of boredom and insomnia watched most of “professor” Dave’s dump on Sabine. While Dave solidifies his position into stone as a youtube entertainer with his opening remarks and attacks on Sabine, I think there is something to be said about it all.

    The phenomena Sabine and Eric allude to are subtle, and it takes years of expertise and training to get to the cutting edge of the field to see the sociological effects they describe. I suppose I am particularly sensitive to this as a young postdoc in that it is only in recent years I am noticing the sociology of the field and it is still fresh in my mind, and when I hear Sabine/Eric describe this I go “oh my, so that’s going on/yes, that’s exactly what’s going on.” The decisions about who gets jobs, who gets grants, which field attracts more prestige, which questions are important, and very importantly from a perspective of a postdoc, which types of people are driven out of the field are heavily based on sociology and the mindset of the few powerful and influential people at the top. When a field is booming, these kind of things are mostly a nuisance, no matter who decides what, eventually good work does get done because there is so much gold lying around. But when a field gets stuck, people naturally begin to wonder if this sociology is actually causing harm to the research process itself.

    But the point is that while these issues are completely obvious to the experts who have spent decades in the field, it is not so obvious to outsiders and very hard to explain to them (counting my undergrad, it took me around 10-12 years to see things this way, and comparing to my friends my age this is very typical). So in some sense it’s not good to have this discussion so out in the public (though I don’t suppose we can blame them, it seems for Eric/Sabine trying to get this sorted behind closed doors didnt work). For laypeople like Dave and his viewers, the version of science that gets handed to them and the version they hear about is usually some 30-40 years behind the cutting edge, where all the details are ironed out and the process sorted out. And they are mixing up the version of science they are used to seeing with the issues at the cutting edge. Combined with the ongoing dismantling of science in US academia, the conversation is now a soup made of two ugly enough debates mixed up into one.

    The 6 scientists Dave had at his show all explained some nice science, and I learned from them. But when it comes to what they said about the state of high energy physics: same old, same old.

  22. Peter Woit says:

    clueless postdoc,
    Thanks, that’s a good explanation of part of what is going on.

    I do want to address another part of what is going on that is new and disturbing. Back in the good old days when I used to vigorously argue this issue with Lubos Motl, he was on the “all is going great” side, and was doing so from a very right-wing perspective (Lee Smolin and I were ignorant Commie malcontents). The good thing though was that the debate did not fall along left/right lines: those agreeing with Lubos were as likely to be on the right or left, similarly for those agreeing with me.

    A major reason for what’s happening right now is the craziness of US politics, where Fascists have come to power exploiting a bogus populist attack on “elites”. People like “Professor Dave” who know nothing about what is going on in theoretical physics research decide what to think about critiques of it by adopting this lens. If you’re criticizing what they see as the dominant scientific view in the subject, you’re a populist “peddling propaganda for fascist oligarchs.” If you’re defending string theory and the supposedly dominant views of elite scientists, you’re part of the left-wing resistance to Fascism.

    If Lubos were still active in this debate that would help make clear that a political interpretation of the debate between us that put him on the left and me on the right didn’t make any sense.

    As I have to keep pointing out to people, I’m actually an elitist. Great scientific work is very difficult to do, and it is mostly elite institutions that provide the many kinds of support needed for it to happen. In the subjects I know most about, in many cases this works the way it is supposed to (I’d point to various fields of pure mathematics as good examples). In fundamental theoretical physics, there has been a failure of these elite institutions, of a sort that I, Sabine and Eric have tried to point out, not because we’re populists who want to destroy all elites, but because there’s an important problem obstructing scientific progress.

    I would urge Sabine, Eric and everyone concerned about the problems of fundamental theoretical physics to be mindful of the current awful environment in the US and elsewhere of epistemic collapse and associated collapse of democracy. The Fascists who have used hatred of elites to gain power operate by obliterating the difference between truth and lies. They are not on our side.

  23. Stan says:

    Jumping into this discussion as a regular lurker. I’m not a subscriber of Professor Dave, in fact I don’t believe I’ve ever watched his videos before now. But I do think that Sabine has a track record of unprofessionally criticizing academia that has led to her rubbing shoulders with Fascists. She has weighed in on the scientific transgender debate with no expertise, making several mistakes (Eigenchris has made a very sharp criticism of this) and broadcasting them to hundreds of thousands of viewers. She has likened the structure of academia to bona fide communism (due to affirmative action policy), and pitched the idea to “restore meritocracy” by abolishing grants and replacing them with with capitalist funding. No surprise then, that she’s also a fan of Elon Musk. She has a tendency to make a sweeping point, and then to top it off with “But why listen to me? I’m only a random person on the internet,” which is an alarming kind of intellectual dodge.

    The beliefs of any private person are no business of mine, but a public scientist must carefully separate their layman opinions (which are of little worth) from their specific expert knowledge (which is very valuable and delicate). In this I see that Sabine is not just being specifically critical in regards to HEP (where due criticism may be had), but also transcends her expertise to float naive or even ridiculous ideas, and as such facilitates popular distrust in academia. It reflects on her fanbase, which is strikingly more populist than those of, say, 3blue1brown or Veritasium. She’s perceived by many of her followers as a dissident, speaking truth to power in a rotten system. I find her unprofessional and dangerous for these reasons.

  24. Peter Woit says:

    Stan (and all),
    The problem is that discussions like “Sabine Hossenfelder: Good or Bad?” attract a big audience. Everyone wants to join in and moralize, and if I were getting paid by the amount of traffic here, I’d encourage this. But I’m not, and this kind of discussion generates zero insight into anything. It also discourages those with something interesting to say to tune out and stop contributing.

    So, enough about Sabine…

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