{"id":2269,"date":"2012-04-17T23:14:46","date_gmt":"2012-04-17T23:14:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/?p=2269"},"modified":"2012-04-18T13:07:28","modified_gmt":"2012-04-18T13:07:28","slug":"removing-the-use-of-a-lemma","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/?p=2269","title":{"rendered":"Removing the use of a lemma"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Go over to read Akhil Mathew&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/amathew.wordpress.com\/2012\/04\/17\/topological-invariance-of-the-etale-site-via-category-theory\/\">very nice blog post<\/a> before reading this one. Then read my comment on his post (which was somehow a bit off topic). My comment was a comment of the type: &#8220;Even though in the stacks project we use ZMT to prove such and such, we really don&#8217;t need to do this.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>But is that really the case? Let&#8217;s take for example <a href=\"http:\/\/math.columbia.edu\/algebraic_geometry\/stacks-git\/locate.php?tag=00U9\">Lemma Tag 00U9<\/a> which says that any etale ring map is a standard smooth ring map. In other words, if A &#8212;&gt; B is smooth, then you can write B = A[x_1, &#8230;, x_n]\/(f_1, &#8230;, f_n) with the Jacobian matrix invertible in B. The current proof of this in the stacks project has the following dependency graph (with ZMT in <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">red<span style=\"color: #000000;\">).<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/with.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2270\" title=\"with\" src=\"http:\/\/math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/with.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"3471\" height=\"3003\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/with.png 3471w, https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/with-300x259.png 300w, https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/with-1024x885.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/with-346x300.png 346w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 3471px) 100vw, 3471px\" \/><\/a>However, if you look at the proof you see that we use <a href=\"http:\/\/math.columbia.edu\/algebraic_geometry\/stacks-git\/locate.php?tag=00U7\">Lemma Tag 00U7<\/a> (whose proof for some reason depends on ZMT, but that is another matter). However, we really could replace this by <a href=\"http:\/\/math.columbia.edu\/algebraic_geometry\/stacks-git\/locate.php?tag=07CF\">Lemma Tag 07CF<\/a> whose proof is essentially trivial (and in particular doesn&#8217;t use ZMT). If we take out the use of 00U7 the new dependency matrix looks like this<a href=\"http:\/\/math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/without.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/without.png\" alt=\"\" title=\"without\" width=\"2407\" height=\"2363\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2271\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/without.png 2407w, https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/without-300x294.png 300w, https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/without-1024x1005.png 1024w, https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/without-305x300.png 305w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2407px) 100vw, 2407px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nAs you can see ZMT isn&#8217;t used anymore. Not only that, the graph has become significantly simpler.<\/p>\n<p>It is fun how you can test this kind of shortening of arguments before actually implementing them. I&#8217;ll add an update to this post when I&#8217;ve actually made the changes to the stacks project.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Update.<\/strong> OK, I&#8217;ve changed the proof and in fact it is now much simpler. Here is the the final dependency graph<a href=\"http:\/\/math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/etale.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/04\/etale.png\" alt=\"\" title=\"etale\" width=\"160\" height=\"283\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-2279\" \/><\/a> So yeah, the original proof was just ridiculously bad!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Go over to read Akhil Mathew&#8217;s very nice blog post before reading this one. Then read my comment on his post (which was somehow a bit off topic). My comment was a comment of the type: &#8220;Even though in the &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/?p=2269\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2269","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2269","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=2269"}],"version-history":[{"count":7,"href":"https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2269\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2278,"href":"https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2269\/revisions\/2278"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=2269"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=2269"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.math.columbia.edu\/~dejong\/wordpress\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=2269"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}