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		<title>By: e pur si muove &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Physics from sex</title>
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		<dc:creator>e pur si muove &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Physics from sex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 22:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Schr&#246;dinger honorable mention was for supposedly came up with his famous wave equation after a romantic tryst with an ex-girlfriend in a Swiss chalet in 1925. (He also had enough money to use pearls as earplugs.) Not that he&#8217;s entirely to blame: Hermann Weyl, colleague and collaborator, was reputedly his wife&#8217;s lover. (Looks like I&#8217;ll have to look into checking out a biography real soon.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Schr&ouml;dinger honorable mention was for supposedly came up with his famous wave equation after a romantic tryst with an ex-girlfriend in a Swiss chalet in 1925. (He also had enough money to use pearls as earplugs.) Not that he&#8217;s entirely to blame: Hermann Weyl, colleague and collaborator, was reputedly his wife&#8217;s lover. (Looks like I&#8217;ll have to look into checking out a biography real soon.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lubos Motl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lubos Motl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The page

http://www.physics.umd.edu/robot/wigner.html

contains a lot of other interesting stuff - history, pictures etc. - about Wigner as collected by Y.S. Kim, the famous guy with the robot who announces the conferences. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The page</p>
<p><a href="http://www.physics.umd.edu/robot/wigner.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.physics.umd.edu/robot/wigner.html</a></p>
<p>contains a lot of other interesting stuff &#8211; history, pictures etc. &#8211; about Wigner as collected by Y.S. Kim, the famous guy with the robot who announces the conferences. <img src='http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chris Oakley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Oakley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;would you care to share a recommendation?&lt;/i&gt;

I would have to check. I certainly do not remember any 20 years ago, although Schiff chapter 7 goes some distance along this path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>would you care to share a recommendation?</i></p>
<p>I would have to check. I certainly do not remember any 20 years ago, although Schiff chapter 7 goes some distance along this path.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;1. The theory of continuous groups and their unitary representations ought to be taught in undergraduate physics courses. It is not that hard and plays an absolutely crucial role in quantum mechanics. For example, the connection between angular momentum in quantum mechanics and the rotation group is more important than the connection with classical angular momentum and yet, in the course I was on, at least, the former was hardly mentioned.&lt;/i&gt;
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Chris,

Are there any undergraduate level texts available? If so, would you care to share a recommendation?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>1. The theory of continuous groups and their unitary representations ought to be taught in undergraduate physics courses. It is not that hard and plays an absolutely crucial role in quantum mechanics. For example, the connection between angular momentum in quantum mechanics and the rotation group is more important than the connection with classical angular momentum and yet, in the course I was on, at least, the former was hardly mentioned.</i></p>
<p>
Chris,</p>
<p>Are there any undergraduate level texts available? If so, would you care to share a recommendation?</p>
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		<title>By: Lubos Motl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lubos Motl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Thomas,

I mostly agree with the statement about the evidence supporting QM and special relativity - although if I were describing these questions, I would probably separate these two things. (Also, I would use a less mathematical language.)

We have a lot of evidence in favor of special relativity, including classical physics (which has no unitary representations), and a lot of evidence for quantum mechanics (in the nonrelativistic regime). Well, if we unify these two structures, we must introduce these unitary representations of the Poincare group, and this is what quantum field theory dictates. Well, we have a lot of evidence for quantum field theory, that goes beyond special relativity and quantum mechanics separately, too.

I am not sure what (nontrivial) is meant by the unitary representations of the diffeomoprhism group in the second part of the text. If we require the representations to be unitary, it&#039;s because we want to get positive squared norms (positive - and conserved - probabilities) - which is a condition for *physical* states. However, physical states also need to be gauge invariant, and therefore they always form many copies of the trivial, singlet representation of the gauge group - at least of the part of the gauge group that is close to the identity (the part that is connected with the identity, and described by a normalizable wave).

On the other hand, if you consider unphysical states in a formalism &quot;before&quot; you impose the physical constraints, there is no reason for the representations to be unitary. Indeed, the Hilbert spaces including the unphysical states are typically non-unitary representations of various algebras. For example, consider QED with all the time-like and longitudinal polarizations of a photon.

All the best
Lubos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Thomas,</p>
<p>I mostly agree with the statement about the evidence supporting QM and special relativity &#8211; although if I were describing these questions, I would probably separate these two things. (Also, I would use a less mathematical language.)</p>
<p>We have a lot of evidence in favor of special relativity, including classical physics (which has no unitary representations), and a lot of evidence for quantum mechanics (in the nonrelativistic regime). Well, if we unify these two structures, we must introduce these unitary representations of the Poincare group, and this is what quantum field theory dictates. Well, we have a lot of evidence for quantum field theory, that goes beyond special relativity and quantum mechanics separately, too.</p>
<p>I am not sure what (nontrivial) is meant by the unitary representations of the diffeomoprhism group in the second part of the text. If we require the representations to be unitary, it&#8217;s because we want to get positive squared norms (positive &#8211; and conserved &#8211; probabilities) &#8211; which is a condition for *physical* states. However, physical states also need to be gauge invariant, and therefore they always form many copies of the trivial, singlet representation of the gauge group &#8211; at least of the part of the gauge group that is close to the identity (the part that is connected with the identity, and described by a normalizable wave).</p>
<p>On the other hand, if you consider unphysical states in a formalism &#8220;before&#8221; you impose the physical constraints, there is no reason for the representations to be unitary. Indeed, the Hilbert spaces including the unphysical states are typically non-unitary representations of various algebras. For example, consider QED with all the time-like and longitudinal polarizations of a photon.</p>
<p>All the best<br />
Lubos</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Larsson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Larsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;2. The fact that &quot;fundamental&quot; particles/fields look a lot like the vectors of unitary irreducible representations of the Poincare group is an excellent endorsement for our theories of special relativity and quantum mechanics. Indeed, one seems to require little more than this representation theory to build up the whole of QFT.&lt;/em&gt;

This is indeed my understanding as well. This is my point in a post which I just sent to sps - let&#039;s see if LM accepts it. Anyway, I&#039;m rather proud of the punchline:

At the most basic level, a quantum theory is defined by a Hilbert space and a unitary time evolution. If the theory has some symmetries, they must be realized as unitary operators acting on this Hilbert space as well. If time translation is included among the symmetries, which is the case for the Poincare algebra (and more subtly for diffeomorphisms), requiring a unitary representation of the symmetry algebra seems to be enough for consistency.

From this viewpoint, there is a 1-1 correspondence between general-covariant quantum theories (GCQT) and unitary representations of the diffeomorphism group on a conventional Hilbert space. Namely, if we have a GCQT, its Hilbert space carries a unitary rep of the diffeomorphism group. And if we have a unitary rep of the diffeomorphism group, the Hilbert space on which it acts can be interpreted as the Hilbert space of some GCQT. Since all unitary quantum irreps of the diffeomorphism group are anomalous, apart from the trivial one, all interesting GCQTs carry anomalous reps of the diffeomorphism group. So rather than being inconsistent, the second type of gauge anomaly is in fact a necessary condition for non-trivial consistency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>2. The fact that &#8220;fundamental&#8221; particles/fields look a lot like the vectors of unitary irreducible representations of the Poincare group is an excellent endorsement for our theories of special relativity and quantum mechanics. Indeed, one seems to require little more than this representation theory to build up the whole of QFT.</em></p>
<p>This is indeed my understanding as well. This is my point in a post which I just sent to sps &#8211; let&#8217;s see if LM accepts it. Anyway, I&#8217;m rather proud of the punchline:</p>
<p>At the most basic level, a quantum theory is defined by a Hilbert space and a unitary time evolution. If the theory has some symmetries, they must be realized as unitary operators acting on this Hilbert space as well. If time translation is included among the symmetries, which is the case for the Poincare algebra (and more subtly for diffeomorphisms), requiring a unitary representation of the symmetry algebra seems to be enough for consistency.</p>
<p>From this viewpoint, there is a 1-1 correspondence between general-covariant quantum theories (GCQT) and unitary representations of the diffeomorphism group on a conventional Hilbert space. Namely, if we have a GCQT, its Hilbert space carries a unitary rep of the diffeomorphism group. And if we have a unitary rep of the diffeomorphism group, the Hilbert space on which it acts can be interpreted as the Hilbert space of some GCQT. Since all unitary quantum irreps of the diffeomorphism group are anomalous, apart from the trivial one, all interesting GCQTs carry anomalous reps of the diffeomorphism group. So rather than being inconsistent, the second type of gauge anomaly is in fact a necessary condition for non-trivial consistency.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Oakley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Oakley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two comments:

1. The theory of continuous groups and their unitary representations ought to be taught in undergraduate physics courses. It is not that hard and plays an absolutely crucial role in quantum mechanics. For example, the connection between angular momentum in quantum mechanics and the rotation group is more important than the connection with classical angular momentum and yet, in the course I was on, at least, the former was hardly mentioned.

2. The fact that &quot;fundamental&quot; particles/fields look a lot like the vectors of unitary irreducible representations of the Poincare group is an excellent endorsement for our theories of special relativity and quantum mechanics. Indeed, one seems to require little more than this representation theory to build up the whole of QFT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two comments:</p>
<p>1. The theory of continuous groups and their unitary representations ought to be taught in undergraduate physics courses. It is not that hard and plays an absolutely crucial role in quantum mechanics. For example, the connection between angular momentum in quantum mechanics and the rotation group is more important than the connection with classical angular momentum and yet, in the course I was on, at least, the former was hardly mentioned.</p>
<p>2. The fact that &#8220;fundamental&#8221; particles/fields look a lot like the vectors of unitary irreducible representations of the Poincare group is an excellent endorsement for our theories of special relativity and quantum mechanics. Indeed, one seems to require little more than this representation theory to build up the whole of QFT.</p>
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		<title>By: sol</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Peter,

This is the kind of history that is important for my understanding. 

Unfortunately,  speaking to Lubos from another article does not make it possible to speak to him about &quot;ancient views&quot; and new perspectives? 

So history here,  as you have shown and leading to today perspectives on gamma ray detection?

Photons and Smolins position, versus, strings. Photon and Graviton intersection? If spacetime is vibrating.......then.......

Just a thought.



Some of us are not so &lt;b&gt;lucky&lt;/b&gt; to have the proper insights at the Time of our questions?:)

http://www-conf.slac.stanford.edu/ssi/2004/lec_notes/Quigg/default.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Peter,</p>
<p>This is the kind of history that is important for my understanding. </p>
<p>Unfortunately,  speaking to Lubos from another article does not make it possible to speak to him about &#8220;ancient views&#8221; and new perspectives? </p>
<p>So history here,  as you have shown and leading to today perspectives on gamma ray detection?</p>
<p>Photons and Smolins position, versus, strings. Photon and Graviton intersection? If spacetime is vibrating&#8230;&#8230;.then&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
<p>Some of us are not so <b>lucky</b> to have the proper insights at the Time of our questions?:)</p>
<p><a href="http://www-conf.slac.stanford.edu/ssi/2004/lec_notes/Quigg/default.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www-conf.slac.stanford.edu/ssi/2004/lec_notes/Quigg/default.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: D R Lunsford</title>
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		<dc:creator>D R Lunsford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weyl and Klein are my absolute heroes among the mathematicians.

I don&#039;t think it is quite right to say Weyl regarded &quot;pure infinitesimal geometry&quot; as &quot;misguided&quot;. He was, I think astonished that it didn&#039;t work out as he originally thought - and it must have been on his mind all the time, because when the time came for the idea to reemerge in a new context (gauge theory), he was immediately on it. The idea behind PIG is after all incredibly simple - completely localizing the metric. How can it be that the simpler and more natural idea fails? I wish he were alive to see how his idea succeeds in the most remarkable way possible, by bringing matter into full equality with space and time, just as he wished.

When I was a student, my advisor said &quot;Read Weyl. He writes for smart people.&quot; It was the best advice I ever got. Not only are the results intrinsically interesting, one has the feeling on reading Weyl that a great adventure is underway - that the author is not out to pound his vision into your consciousness, but to illuminate the world and its beauties. If only this spirit had become the consensus, instead of the self-indulgent formalism of Bourbaki.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weyl and Klein are my absolute heroes among the mathematicians.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it is quite right to say Weyl regarded &#8220;pure infinitesimal geometry&#8221; as &#8220;misguided&#8221;. He was, I think astonished that it didn&#8217;t work out as he originally thought &#8211; and it must have been on his mind all the time, because when the time came for the idea to reemerge in a new context (gauge theory), he was immediately on it. The idea behind PIG is after all incredibly simple &#8211; completely localizing the metric. How can it be that the simpler and more natural idea fails? I wish he were alive to see how his idea succeeds in the most remarkable way possible, by bringing matter into full equality with space and time, just as he wished.</p>
<p>When I was a student, my advisor said &#8220;Read Weyl. He writes for smart people.&#8221; It was the best advice I ever got. Not only are the results intrinsically interesting, one has the feeling on reading Weyl that a great adventure is underway &#8211; that the author is not out to pound his vision into your consciousness, but to illuminate the world and its beauties. If only this spirit had become the consensus, instead of the self-indulgent formalism of Bourbaki.</p>
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