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		<title>By: For &#34;The Baby Goes Out With The Bathwater&#34; Crowd... - SLUniverse Forums</title>
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		<dc:creator>For &#34;The Baby Goes Out With The Bathwater&#34; Crowd... - SLUniverse Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 14:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] because in the words of one reviewer it is such a comedy of misunderstanding that it is &quot;not even wrong&quot;.  I actually bought this infomercial on impulse without knowing a thing about it. I think I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] because in the words of one reviewer it is such a comedy of misunderstanding that it is &quot;not even wrong&quot;.  I actually bought this infomercial on impulse without knowing a thing about it. I think I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Not Even Wrong &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Philosophy of Science on Blogginheads.tv</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Even Wrong &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Philosophy of Science on Blogginheads.tv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Albert, discussing a variety of issues. Albert tells about his unfortunate experience with the What the Bleep? film, a good example of why it&#8217;s not always a good idea to get involved with people doing a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Albert, discussing a variety of issues. Albert tells about his unfortunate experience with the What the Bleep? film, a good example of why it&#8217;s not always a good idea to get involved with people doing a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel&#8217;s Musings &#187; Rabbit Holes and Other Oddities</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel&#8217;s Musings &#187; Rabbit Holes and Other Oddities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 05:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Not even wrong blogged about it, with some very interesting comments from the math &amp; physics community on some of the &#8220;expert&#8221; in the movie. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Not Even Wrong &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hidden Dimensions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Even Wrong &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hidden Dimensions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] invoking quantum mechanics, extra dimensions, etc. etc. It&#8217;s more or less in the same vein as What the Bleep, but with more of a Buddhist and less of a self-help [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] invoking quantum mechanics, extra dimensions, etc. etc. It&#8217;s more or less in the same vein as What the Bleep, but with more of a Buddhist and less of a self-help [...]</p>
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		<title>By: yeago works &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jesus, Buddha, &#8230; Ken Wilber??</title>
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		<dc:creator>yeago works &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Jesus, Buddha, &#8230; Ken Wilber??</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I also should say I haven&#8217;t made myself familiar with his theories. But the whole thing strikes me as being a cult production. Kinda like the movie &#8220;What The Bleep Do We Know?&#8221;. This guy saves me the time of giving the breakdown of that. This is a pitfall in any philo/spiritual movement. I call it &#8216;group identification&#8217;, where a bunch of people believe something, it begins to pick up steam, they create some sort of &#8216;cult production&#8217; to present their ideas to the world-at-large, but its full of cracks of bias. I&#8217;m not saying this is the case with Zaadz, but I won&#8217;t be surprised if the same pattern emerges. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I also should say I haven&#8217;t made myself familiar with his theories. But the whole thing strikes me as being a cult production. Kinda like the movie &#8220;What The Bleep Do We Know?&#8221;. This guy saves me the time of giving the breakdown of that. This is a pitfall in any philo/spiritual movement. I call it &#8216;group identification&#8217;, where a bunch of people believe something, it begins to pick up steam, they create some sort of &#8216;cult production&#8217; to present their ideas to the world-at-large, but its full of cracks of bias. I&#8217;m not saying this is the case with Zaadz, but I won&#8217;t be surprised if the same pattern emerges. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Not Even Wrong &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Down the Rabbit Hole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Even Wrong &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Down the Rabbit Hole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] About a year and a half ago I wrote here about going to see the movie What the Bleep Do We Know?, a rather spectacularly stupid and lunatic film which extensively misuses quantum mechanics. This weekend, a sequel called What the BLEEP - Down the Rabbit Hole opened here in New York, and I figured I owed it to my readers to check out the this new movie. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] About a year and a half ago I wrote here about going to see the movie What the Bleep Do We Know?, a rather spectacularly stupid and lunatic film which extensively misuses quantum mechanics. This weekend, a sequel called What the BLEEP &#8211; Down the Rabbit Hole opened here in New York, and I figured I owed it to my readers to check out the this new movie. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Fabio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fabio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of Hagelin&#039;s thousands of citations, how many are from the Ellis/Nanopoulous et al paper mill?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of Hagelin&#8217;s thousands of citations, how many are from the Ellis/Nanopoulous et al paper mill?</p>
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		<title>By: diggingdeeper</title>
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		<dc:creator>diggingdeeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope you don&#039;t mind me butting in, just thought you might like to see these facts which are so far undisputed about the film.

1. In addition to the films three directors, there were actors and others involved in the production who are long time &quot;students&quot; of Ramthas&#039; School of enlightenment.

2. A disproportionate amount of time was given in voice and film to Ramtha, Dr. Joe dispenza, and Miceal Ledwith.

3. Dr Joe Dispenza and Miceal Ledwith are both long time students and &quot;appointed teachers at Ramthas&#039; school of enlightenment (RSE)

4. Dr Joe Dispenza (the one who creates his day) has gone to court and testified that his teacher (ramtha) has told him that terrible times are coming and that he needs to protect his family. He also invested over $10,000.00 in an infamous scam that infected RSE and was touted by Ramtha as a vehicle to gain fabulous wealth and many of the schools membership lost substantial sums of money. Some lost their entire life savings.
This is the person who teaches the brain science in RSE.

5.Miceal Ledwith a clergyman with a rather dubious past (see http://unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=36&amp;si=770458&amp;issue_id=7565) is the one chosen by the film makers to be the theological spokesman. He is also the theologian in residence of RSE.
He also has been marketing several products within the school and its followers. Guess that could not have been done to easily in the Catholic church.

6. The following persons in the film have all spoken at RSE and sold books there.

Fred Allen Wolf
Dr Candice Pert
Amit Gotswami
John Haglin
Joe Dispenza
Miceal Ledwith
and of course the big guy himself, Ramtha

7. One of the scientists who was in the film and had never appeared at the school is Dr David Albert Professor and Director of Philosophical Physics at Columbia university.
He has stated in several venues that his views were totally misrepresented in the film. He claims that in over 5 hours of interviews he explained to the film makers why their concept of how Quantum Physics works has virtually no support in the scientific community.
He even called in to a radio program the director was on to discuss this and was cut off. The host of the show said this was done because it was &quot;negative&quot;
so much for no good or bad, that is unless it is convienent.

8. To date, there has been no response as to where the information which lead to the story about the indians not being able to see the ships of Columbus originated from. There appears to be no evidence to support this claim. In addition, the film mentioned &quot;clipper ships&quot; which were not even in existence at that time.  Perhaps that is why they couldn&#039;t see them.

There were many more, but I will leave them for others. If anyone has any information to refute any of the facts laid out here, I will be more then willing to retract them.

They are relevant because of the deliberateness on the part of the film makers to keep certain facts unknown (ironically, it is I making the unknown know) and misrepresent others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope you don&#8217;t mind me butting in, just thought you might like to see these facts which are so far undisputed about the film.</p>
<p>1. In addition to the films three directors, there were actors and others involved in the production who are long time &#8220;students&#8221; of Ramthas&#8217; School of enlightenment.</p>
<p>2. A disproportionate amount of time was given in voice and film to Ramtha, Dr. Joe dispenza, and Miceal Ledwith.</p>
<p>3. Dr Joe Dispenza and Miceal Ledwith are both long time students and &#8220;appointed teachers at Ramthas&#8217; school of enlightenment (RSE)</p>
<p>4. Dr Joe Dispenza (the one who creates his day) has gone to court and testified that his teacher (ramtha) has told him that terrible times are coming and that he needs to protect his family. He also invested over $10,000.00 in an infamous scam that infected RSE and was touted by Ramtha as a vehicle to gain fabulous wealth and many of the schools membership lost substantial sums of money. Some lost their entire life savings.<br />
This is the person who teaches the brain science in RSE.</p>
<p>5.Miceal Ledwith a clergyman with a rather dubious past (see <a href="http://unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=36&#038;si=770458&#038;issue_id=7565)" rel="nofollow">http://unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=36&#038;si=770458&#038;issue_id=7565)</a> is the one chosen by the film makers to be the theological spokesman. He is also the theologian in residence of RSE.<br />
He also has been marketing several products within the school and its followers. Guess that could not have been done to easily in the Catholic church.</p>
<p>6. The following persons in the film have all spoken at RSE and sold books there.</p>
<p>Fred Allen Wolf<br />
Dr Candice Pert<br />
Amit Gotswami<br />
John Haglin<br />
Joe Dispenza<br />
Miceal Ledwith<br />
and of course the big guy himself, Ramtha</p>
<p>7. One of the scientists who was in the film and had never appeared at the school is Dr David Albert Professor and Director of Philosophical Physics at Columbia university.<br />
He has stated in several venues that his views were totally misrepresented in the film. He claims that in over 5 hours of interviews he explained to the film makers why their concept of how Quantum Physics works has virtually no support in the scientific community.<br />
He even called in to a radio program the director was on to discuss this and was cut off. The host of the show said this was done because it was &#8220;negative&#8221;<br />
so much for no good or bad, that is unless it is convienent.</p>
<p>8. To date, there has been no response as to where the information which lead to the story about the indians not being able to see the ships of Columbus originated from. There appears to be no evidence to support this claim. In addition, the film mentioned &#8220;clipper ships&#8221; which were not even in existence at that time.  Perhaps that is why they couldn&#8217;t see them.</p>
<p>There were many more, but I will leave them for others. If anyone has any information to refute any of the facts laid out here, I will be more then willing to retract them.</p>
<p>They are relevant because of the deliberateness on the part of the film makers to keep certain facts unknown (ironically, it is I making the unknown know) and misrepresent others.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad that someone else thought that that movie was a bunch of garbage.  I had it recommended to me by no less than three people.  Everyone said that &quot;you have to see this movie!&quot;  So I did.  It was really hard to sit through.  It was the biggest bunch of garbage that I had ever seen.  Blech.  

I guess the difference between me and those other people is that I actually have some grasp on the concepts that the movie was trying to talk about.  Never mind that the movie didn&#039;t even have a plot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad that someone else thought that that movie was a bunch of garbage.  I had it recommended to me by no less than three people.  Everyone said that &#8220;you have to see this movie!&#8221;  So I did.  It was really hard to sit through.  It was the biggest bunch of garbage that I had ever seen.  Blech.  </p>
<p>I guess the difference between me and those other people is that I actually have some grasp on the concepts that the movie was trying to talk about.  Never mind that the movie didn&#8217;t even have a plot.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lubos,

For many years in the early-mid-eighties, the Maharishi was pushing N=8 supergravity as the unified field theory, I remember a colorful poster explaining how it agreed exactly with his philosophy that many people posted on their walls.  At some point I guess he updated it to string field theory and the version you provided a link for.

It&#039;s true that Hagelin stopped doing physics in the mid-nineties to concentrate on his other nonsense, but I can vouch for the fact that as early as 1978-9 he was heavily involved in TM and thought it had a lot to do with QFT. By 1984 he had moved to Maharishi University and started building up the physics department there. In the late eighties I remember seeing Maharishi University preprints, perhaps about flipped SU(5). The main weird thing about them was they were printed on pink paper instead of white.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lubos,</p>
<p>For many years in the early-mid-eighties, the Maharishi was pushing N=8 supergravity as the unified field theory, I remember a colorful poster explaining how it agreed exactly with his philosophy that many people posted on their walls.  At some point I guess he updated it to string field theory and the version you provided a link for.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true that Hagelin stopped doing physics in the mid-nineties to concentrate on his other nonsense, but I can vouch for the fact that as early as 1978-9 he was heavily involved in TM and thought it had a lot to do with QFT. By 1984 he had moved to Maharishi University and started building up the physics department there. In the late eighties I remember seeing Maharishi University preprints, perhaps about flipped SU(5). The main weird thing about them was they were printed on pink paper instead of white.</p>
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