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		<title>By: Chris Oakley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Oakley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me for pointing out the obvious, but if Motl, Hawking, or any other &quot;genius&quot; out there can&#039;t back up speculations or half-baked science regarding black holes with a consistent quantum theory of gravity then I will continue to exercise my right to ignore them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me for pointing out the obvious, but if Motl, Hawking, or any other &#8220;genius&#8221; out there can&#8217;t back up speculations or half-baked science regarding black holes with a consistent quantum theory of gravity then I will continue to exercise my right to ignore them.</p>
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		<title>By: serenus zeitblom</title>
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		<dc:creator>serenus zeitblom</dc:creator>
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		<description>I&#039;m sad to have to report that my contribution to Lubos&#039; education will not be shared with the readers of sci.physics.strings. Lubos replied that my contribution did not meet the high standards of his group [I wish you people wouldn&#039;t snicker like that--] and that anyway it should be obvious why nobody cares about the observations of black hole observers who are not infinitely far away from one. In the immortal words of Peter Woit: got that? 
Next question: whence this strange enthusiasm for Hawking&#039;s work on the part of LM?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sad to have to report that my contribution to Lubos&#8217; education will not be shared with the readers of sci.physics.strings. Lubos replied that my contribution did not meet the high standards of his group [I wish you people wouldn't snicker like that--] and that anyway it should be obvious why nobody cares about the observations of black hole observers who are not infinitely far away from one. In the immortal words of Peter Woit: got that?<br />
Next question: whence this strange enthusiasm for Hawking&#8217;s work on the part of LM?</p>
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		<title>By: D R Lunsford</title>
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		<dc:creator>D R Lunsford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the famous Schroedinger&#039;s soul problem!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the famous Schroedinger&#8217;s soul problem!</p>
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		<title>By: serenus zeitblom</title>
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		<dc:creator>serenus zeitblom</dc:creator>
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		<description>By the way, in case anyone doubts the literal truth of Peter&#039;s title for this section, you might like to have a look at Lubos Motl&#039;s latest writings on sci.physics.strings. His conclusion is that we shouldn&#039;t really worry about information loss since we are all gonna [sic] die anyway and *some* information will be lost in that way. Here is my response --- it will be interesting to see how he behaves in his capacity as moderator:

Lubos Motl  wrote in 
&gt; 
&gt; Yes, no one has really resolved and defined the correct laws of physics as
&gt; seen by the infalling observers. Well, they&#039;re gonna die which
&gt; automatically means &quot;some&quot; loss of information from their point of view.
[My reply]:
Profound, truly profound. We&#039;re all gonna die and that will mean
the loss of &quot;some&quot; information.

Thank you. My doubts about unitarity in quantum gravity have
all been answered.

On second thoughts, what if we go to heaven? Or, in
the case of some of us, to the Other Place? Will
unitarity be preserved by supernatural tunneling?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, in case anyone doubts the literal truth of Peter&#8217;s title for this section, you might like to have a look at Lubos Motl&#8217;s latest writings on sci.physics.strings. His conclusion is that we shouldn&#8217;t really worry about information loss since we are all gonna [sic] die anyway and *some* information will be lost in that way. Here is my response &#8212; it will be interesting to see how he behaves in his capacity as moderator:</p>
<p>Lubos Motl  wrote in<br />
><br />
> Yes, no one has really resolved and defined the correct laws of physics as<br />
> seen by the infalling observers. Well, they&#8217;re gonna die which<br />
> automatically means &#8220;some&#8221; loss of information from their point of view.<br />
[My reply]:<br />
Profound, truly profound. We&#8217;re all gonna die and that will mean<br />
the loss of &#8220;some&#8221; information.</p>
<p>Thank you. My doubts about unitarity in quantum gravity have<br />
all been answered.</p>
<p>On second thoughts, what if we go to heaven? Or, in<br />
the case of some of us, to the Other Place? Will<br />
unitarity be preserved by supernatural tunneling?</p>
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		<title>By: Urs Schreiber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urs Schreiber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JC -

I haven&#039;t looked at which calculations precisely Dixon does. But I am sure he said that he can relate QCD calculations of N=4 SYM and that hence any better understanding of the latter has an effect on the QCD calculations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JC -</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t looked at which calculations precisely Dixon does. But I am sure he said that he can relate QCD calculations of N=4 SYM and that hence any better understanding of the latter has an effect on the QCD calculations.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
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		<description>Urs,

Most of the stuff Dixon alludes to doesn&#039;t appear to use the AdS-CFT duality directly.  The most that appears in his strings 2004 talk that alludes to AdS-CFT, doesn&#039;t look like it&#039;s much more than hand waving.  I didn&#039;t see any explict AdS-CFT calculation results in his talk, nor in any of his previous papers.  Where did you see Dixon&#039;s stuff on explict AdS-CFT type of calculations?

In Dixon&#039;s earlier work on calculating QCD amplitudes, SUSY appears to be used as a calculational &quot;tool&quot; and not really as a fundamental symmetry.  How he&#039;s able to this, I&#039;m not entirely sure offhand.  The only semi-plausible reason I can think of offhand is in the first quantization picture of gauge theories.  There were a number of papers by Michael Schmidt (at Heidelberg, I think) from the 1990&#039;s which looked at QED in the first quantization picture.  Turns out the Lagrangian for first quantized ordinary QED has an explicit &quot;SUSY&quot; symmetry, which doesn&#039;t readily appear in the textbook version of 2nd quantizated QED.  In some sense, the first quantized picture of ordinary QED gives you a &quot;SUSY&quot; symmetry literally for &quot;free&quot;.    Where exactly this SUSY symmetry comes from in the first quantized ordinary QED, I don&#039;t know offhand.  There&#039;s a section in Polyakov&#039;s book which discusses the first quantization picture for ordinary QED.

It appears Schmidt, nor anybody else yet, has been able to generalize this result to the non-Abelian gauge group case.  In principle, a first quantization picture of ordinary Yang-Mills theory coupled to fermions, should reproduce the results Dixon got in his earlier QCD calculation papers that used SUSY as a &quot;tool&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urs,</p>
<p>Most of the stuff Dixon alludes to doesn&#8217;t appear to use the AdS-CFT duality directly.  The most that appears in his strings 2004 talk that alludes to AdS-CFT, doesn&#8217;t look like it&#8217;s much more than hand waving.  I didn&#8217;t see any explict AdS-CFT calculation results in his talk, nor in any of his previous papers.  Where did you see Dixon&#8217;s stuff on explict AdS-CFT type of calculations?</p>
<p>In Dixon&#8217;s earlier work on calculating QCD amplitudes, SUSY appears to be used as a calculational &#8220;tool&#8221; and not really as a fundamental symmetry.  How he&#8217;s able to this, I&#8217;m not entirely sure offhand.  The only semi-plausible reason I can think of offhand is in the first quantization picture of gauge theories.  There were a number of papers by Michael Schmidt (at Heidelberg, I think) from the 1990&#8217;s which looked at QED in the first quantization picture.  Turns out the Lagrangian for first quantized ordinary QED has an explicit &#8220;SUSY&#8221; symmetry, which doesn&#8217;t readily appear in the textbook version of 2nd quantizated QED.  In some sense, the first quantized picture of ordinary QED gives you a &#8220;SUSY&#8221; symmetry literally for &#8220;free&#8221;.    Where exactly this SUSY symmetry comes from in the first quantized ordinary QED, I don&#8217;t know offhand.  There&#8217;s a section in Polyakov&#8217;s book which discusses the first quantization picture for ordinary QED.</p>
<p>It appears Schmidt, nor anybody else yet, has been able to generalize this result to the non-Abelian gauge group case.  In principle, a first quantization picture of ordinary Yang-Mills theory coupled to fermions, should reproduce the results Dixon got in his earlier QCD calculation papers that used SUSY as a &#8220;tool&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Urs Schreiber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urs Schreiber</dc:creator>
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		<description>Thomas -

there is string/gauge duality and it is best understood for cases which do not very much resemble the real world. N=4 SYM is best understood because of its high symmetry. That makes it easy. As Witten nicely explains in his &lt;a&gt;intro&lt;/a&gt; to the Clay institute challenge on YM, the reasoning is as follows:

 - we want to understand YM

 - but YM is hard

 - so as a first step move to a point in field theory space which is easier to handle

 - this leads to the study of supersymmetric QFT and N=4 SYM in particular

 - so let&#039;s study this as a first approximation to what we are really interested in

 - surprisingly it turns out that N=4 SYM is apparently equivalent to superstrings on AdS5 times S5 (this is a conjecture, true, which has been check to 2.5th order or something, pretty impressive already)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas -</p>
<p>there is string/gauge duality and it is best understood for cases which do not very much resemble the real world. N=4 SYM is best understood because of its high symmetry. That makes it easy. As Witten nicely explains in his <a>intro</a> to the Clay institute challenge on YM, the reasoning is as follows:</p>
<p> &#8211; we want to understand YM</p>
<p> &#8211; but YM is hard</p>
<p> &#8211; so as a first step move to a point in field theory space which is easier to handle</p>
<p> &#8211; this leads to the study of supersymmetric QFT and N=4 SYM in particular</p>
<p> &#8211; so let&#8217;s study this as a first approximation to what we are really interested in</p>
<p> &#8211; surprisingly it turns out that N=4 SYM is apparently equivalent to superstrings on AdS5 times S5 (this is a conjecture, true, which has been check to 2.5th order or something, pretty impressive already)</p>
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		<title>By: Urs Schreiber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urs Schreiber</dc:creator>
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		<description>JC -

at Strings04 in Paris Dixon gave a talk on how to compute QCD stuff by mapping it to N=4 SYM. For instance, if I recall correctly, he said that the tree level amplitudes are the same when you identify the SYM fermions appropriately, and that similarly higher loops can be mapped in a certain way to SYM.

But once you are doing anything with N=4 SYM you can equivalently compute on the dual string theory side. For instance the recent progress in computing anaomalous dimensions in N=4 SYM is all based on BMN, spin chains, semiclassical strings in AdS5 and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JC -</p>
<p>at Strings04 in Paris Dixon gave a talk on how to compute QCD stuff by mapping it to N=4 SYM. For instance, if I recall correctly, he said that the tree level amplitudes are the same when you identify the SYM fermions appropriately, and that similarly higher loops can be mapped in a certain way to SYM.</p>
<p>But once you are doing anything with N=4 SYM you can equivalently compute on the dual string theory side. For instance the recent progress in computing anaomalous dimensions in N=4 SYM is all based on BMN, spin chains, semiclassical strings in AdS5 and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Larsson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Larsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Urs,

I admit that I find the equivalence between N=4 SYM and gravity very confusing. However, this kind of correspondence only seems to work (if it does, Maldacena is still a conjecture, right?) for YM theories plagued by almost-falsified supersymmetry. I am positively sure that vanilla Yang-Mills, of the kind present in the standard model, does not contain gravity. The standard model is not a theory of gravity, is it?

I will come back to loop space gauge theories later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urs,</p>
<p>I admit that I find the equivalence between N=4 SYM and gravity very confusing. However, this kind of correspondence only seems to work (if it does, Maldacena is still a conjecture, right?) for YM theories plagued by almost-falsified supersymmetry. I am positively sure that vanilla Yang-Mills, of the kind present in the standard model, does not contain gravity. The standard model is not a theory of gravity, is it?</p>
<p>I will come back to loop space gauge theories later.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
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		<description>Urs,

Lance Dixon&#039;s work doesn&#039;t appear to be using the AdS-CFT duality stuff.  Most of Dixon&#039;s results look like they&#039;re perturbative amplitude calculations in Yang-Mills theory, using string inspired methods such as in his lecture notes hep-ph/9601359

Looks like Dixon&#039;s later work on calculating gravity amplitudes via Yang-Mills results, appears to be generalizing a result between open and closed strings in Kawai, Lewellen and Tye&#039;s paper &quot;a relation between tree amplitudes of closed and open strings&quot; Nucl. Phys. B, 269 (1986), where Dixon et. al. takes the point particle limit.  The net result he found appears to be writing perturbative gravity amplitudes as the &quot;square&quot; of some corresponding Yang-Mills amplitudes.  On the surface it appears that it&#039;s an easy way to get gravity amplitudes by just recycling old Yang-Mills amplitudes calculated previously.  There&#039;s a review paper by one of Dixon&#039;s collaborators, Zvi Bern, that reviews all of these perturbative gravity calculations without having to calculate Feynman diagrams directly by brute force from first principles gr-qc/0206071</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Urs,</p>
<p>Lance Dixon&#8217;s work doesn&#8217;t appear to be using the AdS-CFT duality stuff.  Most of Dixon&#8217;s results look like they&#8217;re perturbative amplitude calculations in Yang-Mills theory, using string inspired methods such as in his lecture notes hep-ph/9601359</p>
<p>Looks like Dixon&#8217;s later work on calculating gravity amplitudes via Yang-Mills results, appears to be generalizing a result between open and closed strings in Kawai, Lewellen and Tye&#8217;s paper &#8220;a relation between tree amplitudes of closed and open strings&#8221; Nucl. Phys. B, 269 (1986), where Dixon et. al. takes the point particle limit.  The net result he found appears to be writing perturbative gravity amplitudes as the &#8220;square&#8221; of some corresponding Yang-Mills amplitudes.  On the surface it appears that it&#8217;s an easy way to get gravity amplitudes by just recycling old Yang-Mills amplitudes calculated previously.  There&#8217;s a review paper by one of Dixon&#8217;s collaborators, Zvi Bern, that reviews all of these perturbative gravity calculations without having to calculate Feynman diagrams directly by brute force from first principles gr-qc/0206071</p>
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