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		<title>By: Not Even Wrong &#187; Blog Archive &#187; All Sorts of Stuff</title>
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		<description>[...] Kimball Martin&#8217;s web-site of Exceptional MathReviews includes one by Robert Oeckl about a paper of the Bogdanovs. For more about them see here, here, here, and here. Remarkably, they seem to have some support from at least one string theorist. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Kimball Martin&#8217;s web-site of Exceptional MathReviews includes one by Robert Oeckl about a paper of the Bogdanovs. For more about them see here, here, here, and here. Remarkably, they seem to have some support from at least one string theorist. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bogdanoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bogdanoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Fabien, 

Just a precision. You write that our quantum group paper is in our book.  But if you compare the  &quot;annexes&quot; of Avant le Big Bang with the paper itself, you will have to admit that only a short fragment of it was published in the book.  In fact, we published this extract (our theorem 3.3.2) much more as an example of a scientific paper (which may be of interest for a large audience). The objective was not to be understood by specialists of quantum groups theory (many readers said that they liked it the same way they like some creation of modern art.).  But at the end,  the only thing that matters is the &quot;impression&quot; left by a book.  In the case Avant le Big Bang laks of precision or contains some mistakes,  we hope that grace to you and others,  we will be able to correct it.  

I/G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Fabien, </p>
<p>Just a precision. You write that our quantum group paper is in our book.  But if you compare the  &#8220;annexes&#8221; of Avant le Big Bang with the paper itself, you will have to admit that only a short fragment of it was published in the book.  In fact, we published this extract (our theorem 3.3.2) much more as an example of a scientific paper (which may be of interest for a large audience). The objective was not to be understood by specialists of quantum groups theory (many readers said that they liked it the same way they like some creation of modern art.).  But at the end,  the only thing that matters is the &#8220;impression&#8221; left by a book.  In the case Avant le Big Bang laks of precision or contains some mistakes,  we hope that grace to you and others,  we will be able to correct it.  </p>
<p>I/G</p>
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		<title>By: Fabien Besnard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fabien Besnard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The intersection is not the empty set since your quantum group paper IS in your &quot;large audience&quot; book ! When I say you do not follow the scientific method I include a lack of intellectual rigor which is a minimum requirement even in a large audience book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The intersection is not the empty set since your quantum group paper IS in your &#8220;large audience&#8221; book ! When I say you do not follow the scientific method I include a lack of intellectual rigor which is a minimum requirement even in a large audience book.</p>
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		<title>By: Bogdanoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bogdanoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Fabien Besnard,

Thank you for your response which has the advantage to be honest. 
But now : how can you compare a quantum group paper with a large audience book?   From our view, the intersection between these two categories is really an empty set.  A scientific paper is written for experts; by definition, it requires a high level of technicity and very few readers are able to  grasp the real meaning of it.  At the opposite,  a book is not written for experts, even not for specialists of scientists : it is meant to be read and understood by a large audience.  Before the Big Bang was written as a large audience book. Not as a scientific paper. Indeed you are right when you say that it does not follow the scientific method. Of course not.  But it still reflects a certain &quot;state of the Universe&quot; by an other path.  It may contain some mistakes, erros or misquotings (Woit, Schreiber); but at the end &quot;something&quot; good may remain;  So we propose that instead of burning the whole,  you make the effort to look after this  tiny &quot;something&quot; that may be hidden somewhere between the pages.

Thank you for your attention

I/G</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Fabien Besnard,</p>
<p>Thank you for your response which has the advantage to be honest.<br />
But now : how can you compare a quantum group paper with a large audience book?   From our view, the intersection between these two categories is really an empty set.  A scientific paper is written for experts; by definition, it requires a high level of technicity and very few readers are able to  grasp the real meaning of it.  At the opposite,  a book is not written for experts, even not for specialists of scientists : it is meant to be read and understood by a large audience.  Before the Big Bang was written as a large audience book. Not as a scientific paper. Indeed you are right when you say that it does not follow the scientific method. Of course not.  But it still reflects a certain &#8220;state of the Universe&#8221; by an other path.  It may contain some mistakes, erros or misquotings (Woit, Schreiber); but at the end &#8220;something&#8221; good may remain;  So we propose that instead of burning the whole,  you make the effort to look after this  tiny &#8220;something&#8221; that may be hidden somewhere between the pages.</p>
<p>Thank you for your attention</p>
<p>I/G</p>
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		<title>By: Fabien Besnard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fabien Besnard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To IGB : it is not the place to discuss about that, but since I have been attacked at several places on this weblog, I will made one last comment : I began to read your article but then I read your book, and there I found many evidences that you do not follow the scientific method (to say the least). So it was pointless to go on reading about bi-crossproducts. Another important thing is that I realized that if ever I turned out saying that just one line of calculation was right in your paper, you would go everywhere misquoting me, perhaps making me one of your supporters in your next book !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To IGB : it is not the place to discuss about that, but since I have been attacked at several places on this weblog, I will made one last comment : I began to read your article but then I read your book, and there I found many evidences that you do not follow the scientific method (to say the least). So it was pointless to go on reading about bi-crossproducts. Another important thing is that I realized that if ever I turned out saying that just one line of calculation was right in your paper, you would go everywhere misquoting me, perhaps making me one of your supporters in your next book !</p>
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		<title>By: Bogdanoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bogdanoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell us, dear Fabien Besnard,  how you can follow such a line of de-reasoning?  You see,  since you wrote your article,   you got involved in a matter that is obviously beyond your  field of expertise.  You even wrote us (May 20,2004) : &quot; I had a glance on your &quot;bicrossproduct article&quot;. Since I do not know this matter, I have to refer to Majid and it may take some time.&quot;  You never got back to us. Following your own statement (since you admit in you letter that you do not understand our work in quantum groups) on what basis do you claim that this work should be &quot;empty&quot;? 

Obviously, your reaction is neither &quot;objective&quot; nor scientific.  

Thank you for your attention,

IGB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell us, dear Fabien Besnard,  how you can follow such a line of de-reasoning?  You see,  since you wrote your article,   you got involved in a matter that is obviously beyond your  field of expertise.  You even wrote us (May 20,2004) : &#8221; I had a glance on your &#8220;bicrossproduct article&#8221;. Since I do not know this matter, I have to refer to Majid and it may take some time.&#8221;  You never got back to us. Following your own statement (since you admit in you letter that you do not understand our work in quantum groups) on what basis do you claim that this work should be &#8220;empty&#8221;? </p>
<p>Obviously, your reaction is neither &#8220;objective&#8221; nor scientific.  </p>
<p>Thank you for your attention,</p>
<p>IGB</p>
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		<title>By: serenus zeitblom</title>
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		<dc:creator>serenus zeitblom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, I wonder how the people in the
universities in Hong Kong feel about an
address like http://th-phys.edu.hk/? Has
anyone asked them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I wonder how the people in the<br />
universities in Hong Kong feel about an<br />
address like <a href="http://th-phys.edu.hk/?" rel="nofollow">http://th-phys.edu.hk/?</a> Has<br />
anyone asked them?</p>
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		<title>By: Fabien Besnard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fabien Besnard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell me, dear Ark, how someone who &quot;thinks&quot; can still use such a line of reasoning as &quot;A is a crank and go unnoticed, B has been caught, so I will defend B&quot; ? I never heard of the people you speak of (Tiller et al) so they don&#039;t bother me. But now each morning I hear an advertisement for Bogdanov&#039;s book on my favourite radio station. This is enough for me not to turn my attention away from B&amp;B at the moment...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell me, dear Ark, how someone who &#8220;thinks&#8221; can still use such a line of reasoning as &#8220;A is a crank and go unnoticed, B has been caught, so I will defend B&#8221; ? I never heard of the people you speak of (Tiller et al) so they don&#8217;t bother me. But now each morning I hear an advertisement for Bogdanov&#8217;s book on my favourite radio station. This is enough for me not to turn my attention away from B&#038;B at the moment&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ark</title>
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		<dc:creator>ark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody knows for sure why the world seems to be 4-dimensional. Anthropic principle is one pseudo-explanation. That I have five fingers on my hand, and one is evidently different than the other is another &quot;explanation&quot;, as good as any other one, including one with four different kind of numbers.
Some people think, some don&#039;t. Some use their cerebral cortex, some don&#039;t. Some have souls, some, evidently, don&#039;t. That&#039;s normal.

Now, to just shift your ( YBM ( pseudo of Besnard))attention to a slightly different subject let me quote from a book by three American &quot;scientists&quot;. In fact I invite all of you to visit my web page

http:/quantumfuture.net/cass/bogdanov3.htm

There you will find:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&quot;Conscious Acts of Creation: The emergence of new physics by William A. Tiller&quot;, PhD, Walter E. Dibble, Jr., PhD, and Michael J. Kochane, Ph. D. The Preface to the book is signed by Rustum Roy, Penn State, Wayne B. Jonas, USUHS and .... E.C. George Sudarshan, University of Texas, Austin.

Are we ready to be bitten by monopoles? Here is a quotation: 

&quot;Through the agency of a nine-dimensional coupling substance in the vacuum, called deltrons, the faster than light magnetic monopoles functioning in reciprocal space can interact with electric monopole substance functioning in direct space of physical matter. The vacuum phase transition mentioned above involves an ordered phase formation of magnetic monopole substance phase of R-space. These magnetic monopoles of R-space travel so fast that they &#039;write the waves,&#039; thought to be de Broglie pilot waves, controlling the movement of particles in D-space. A symmetry principle, called the mirror principle is thought to operate between D-space substances and R- space substances so that the monopole charge singularities in one space produce dipole images through the mirror into the other space. Likewise, the monopole mass singularities in one space produce images through this mirror into the other space. Thus the negative negative monopole mass singularities of R-space are thought to be the origin of the &#039;dark matter&#039; we currently detect with our instruments in D-space.(...)&quot;

If you think that these concepts are explained somewhere in the book - you may be surprised to find out that after you are through with the book, you will not have an idea of what the &quot;theoretical part&quot; is about.

Now, let me mention that I wrote papers on magnetic monopoles and on &quot;reciprocity&quot; (including conformal symmetric spaces). Therefore, I suggest, that after we are done with KMS, signature fluctuactions, and topological field theory, there is a new field to be exploited in the space of hoaxes: D-spaces and R-spaces and monopoles that write the waves, thought to be de Broglie pilot waves.... All supported by PhDs. 

ark

Conscious Acts of Creation is being madly promoted by the &quot;alternative crowd&quot; as &quot;proof&quot; that all their &quot;you create your own reality&quot; ideas are true. Conscious Acts of Creation, tells us:
This book marks a sharp dividing line between old ways of scientific thought and old experimental protocols, wherein human qualities of consciousness, intention, emotion, mind and spirit cannot significantly affect physical reality, and a new paradigm wherein they can robustly do so! ?utilizing a unique experimental protocla on both inanimate and animate systems, that the human quality of focused intention can be made to act as a true thermodynamic potential and strongly influence experimental measurements for a variety of specific target experiments.

After almost 400 pages of speculation and descriptions of experiments and very little math, we are told:

Under some conditions, it is indeed possible to attach an aspect of human consciousness, a specific intention, to a simple electrical device and have that device, when activated, robustly influence an experiment conducted in its vicinity in complete accord with the attached intention. Thus, if they do it right, humans can influence their environment via specific, sustained intentions. [?] Some new field appears to be involved in the information passage that occurs between conditioned locales that are widely separated from each other in physical space. Even with transmitters and receivers located inside electrically grounded Faraday cages, highly correlated patterns of information appeared in the remotely located locales. [?] Although we don&#039;t fully understand them, we now have some new tools with which to probe the deeper structures of the universe and a new adventure is underway for humanity.

It is important to note that the &quot;intenders&quot; of the experiments were long-time practitioners of Siddha Yoga and could thus be considered metaphysically &quot;in tune&quot; to some considerable extent. The question is: What did they accomplish? Based on the descriptions, it sounds pretty earth-shaking, right? 

Well, as noted, after almost 400 pages we find that the most significant result seems to have been changing the pH of a small sample of water. 

Yup. That&#039;s it.

But we notice that nobody says a word about this sort of thing. At this point in time, the physics community hasn&#039;t said a discouraging word about Tom Bearden and his follower, Richard Hoagland - nor the interesting fact that Bearden is a former associate of Ira Einhorn, Andrija Puharich, the gang at Esalen and Penn State who flirted with the edges of the Secret Government experiments in mind control and the promotion of LSD to the young people of America. Nobody has cried &quot;Hoax!&quot;

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Happy reading!

ark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody knows for sure why the world seems to be 4-dimensional. Anthropic principle is one pseudo-explanation. That I have five fingers on my hand, and one is evidently different than the other is another &#8220;explanation&#8221;, as good as any other one, including one with four different kind of numbers.<br />
Some people think, some don&#8217;t. Some use their cerebral cortex, some don&#8217;t. Some have souls, some, evidently, don&#8217;t. That&#8217;s normal.</p>
<p>Now, to just shift your ( YBM ( pseudo of Besnard))attention to a slightly different subject let me quote from a book by three American &#8220;scientists&#8221;. In fact I invite all of you to visit my web page</p>
<p>http:/quantumfuture.net/cass/bogdanov3.htm</p>
<p>There you will find:</p>
<blockquote><p>
&#8220;Conscious Acts of Creation: The emergence of new physics by William A. Tiller&#8221;, PhD, Walter E. Dibble, Jr., PhD, and Michael J. Kochane, Ph. D. The Preface to the book is signed by Rustum Roy, Penn State, Wayne B. Jonas, USUHS and &#8230;. E.C. George Sudarshan, University of Texas, Austin.</p>
<p>Are we ready to be bitten by monopoles? Here is a quotation: </p>
<p>&#8220;Through the agency of a nine-dimensional coupling substance in the vacuum, called deltrons, the faster than light magnetic monopoles functioning in reciprocal space can interact with electric monopole substance functioning in direct space of physical matter. The vacuum phase transition mentioned above involves an ordered phase formation of magnetic monopole substance phase of R-space. These magnetic monopoles of R-space travel so fast that they &#8216;write the waves,&#8217; thought to be de Broglie pilot waves, controlling the movement of particles in D-space. A symmetry principle, called the mirror principle is thought to operate between D-space substances and R- space substances so that the monopole charge singularities in one space produce dipole images through the mirror into the other space. Likewise, the monopole mass singularities in one space produce images through this mirror into the other space. Thus the negative negative monopole mass singularities of R-space are thought to be the origin of the &#8216;dark matter&#8217; we currently detect with our instruments in D-space.(&#8230;)&#8221;</p>
<p>If you think that these concepts are explained somewhere in the book &#8211; you may be surprised to find out that after you are through with the book, you will not have an idea of what the &#8220;theoretical part&#8221; is about.</p>
<p>Now, let me mention that I wrote papers on magnetic monopoles and on &#8220;reciprocity&#8221; (including conformal symmetric spaces). Therefore, I suggest, that after we are done with KMS, signature fluctuactions, and topological field theory, there is a new field to be exploited in the space of hoaxes: D-spaces and R-spaces and monopoles that write the waves, thought to be de Broglie pilot waves&#8230;. All supported by PhDs. </p>
<p>ark</p>
<p>Conscious Acts of Creation is being madly promoted by the &#8220;alternative crowd&#8221; as &#8220;proof&#8221; that all their &#8220;you create your own reality&#8221; ideas are true. Conscious Acts of Creation, tells us:<br />
This book marks a sharp dividing line between old ways of scientific thought and old experimental protocols, wherein human qualities of consciousness, intention, emotion, mind and spirit cannot significantly affect physical reality, and a new paradigm wherein they can robustly do so! ?utilizing a unique experimental protocla on both inanimate and animate systems, that the human quality of focused intention can be made to act as a true thermodynamic potential and strongly influence experimental measurements for a variety of specific target experiments.</p>
<p>After almost 400 pages of speculation and descriptions of experiments and very little math, we are told:</p>
<p>Under some conditions, it is indeed possible to attach an aspect of human consciousness, a specific intention, to a simple electrical device and have that device, when activated, robustly influence an experiment conducted in its vicinity in complete accord with the attached intention. Thus, if they do it right, humans can influence their environment via specific, sustained intentions. [?] Some new field appears to be involved in the information passage that occurs between conditioned locales that are widely separated from each other in physical space. Even with transmitters and receivers located inside electrically grounded Faraday cages, highly correlated patterns of information appeared in the remotely located locales. [?] Although we don&#8217;t fully understand them, we now have some new tools with which to probe the deeper structures of the universe and a new adventure is underway for humanity.</p>
<p>It is important to note that the &#8220;intenders&#8221; of the experiments were long-time practitioners of Siddha Yoga and could thus be considered metaphysically &#8220;in tune&#8221; to some considerable extent. The question is: What did they accomplish? Based on the descriptions, it sounds pretty earth-shaking, right? </p>
<p>Well, as noted, after almost 400 pages we find that the most significant result seems to have been changing the pH of a small sample of water. </p>
<p>Yup. That&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>But we notice that nobody says a word about this sort of thing. At this point in time, the physics community hasn&#8217;t said a discouraging word about Tom Bearden and his follower, Richard Hoagland &#8211; nor the interesting fact that Bearden is a former associate of Ira Einhorn, Andrija Puharich, the gang at Esalen and Penn State who flirted with the edges of the Secret Government experiments in mind control and the promotion of LSD to the young people of America. Nobody has cried &#8220;Hoax!&#8221;</p>
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<p>Happy reading!</p>
<p>ark</p>
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		<title>By: YBM</title>
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		<dc:creator>YBM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>The last line of defense : pretend that everyone and his brother questioning their work is in fact one person. It is so desperatly ridiculous (anyone familiar with fr.sci.* would know) that I wonder if I should deny. </p>
<p>BTW, Mr Woit, did you know that in their book they pretend (sqrt(5)+1)/2 is transcendental ? And that the Universe has four dimensions because there are four kind of number (integers, rationnals, reals and complexes) ? Therefore, in their spirit, I aprove the following statement :</p>
<p>if the golden ratio is not albebraic, then I am Fabien Besnard (and the Pope as well)</p>
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