Comments on: Frist Filibuster http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188 Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:18:29 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: JC http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-3157 JC Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188#comment-3157 On the other side of the coin in an unrelated way, I've heard of many stories about graduate admissions committees in less "scientific" areas, from folks who have served on them. In some departments like economics, business, finance, law, etc ... many folks have mentioned they actually prefer applicants with a math/science/engineering background, than a liberal arts or social science background. This is the case even if the applicants with the math/science/engineering background have very little to no background knowledge of economics, business, finance, law, etc .... My best guess is that they must think that folks with a math/science/engineering background have an easier time picking up a new field of study relatively quickly. (I don't believe admissions committes are doing this because of a lack of "qualified" applicants). I haven't heard as much about the coverse case, with somebody with a liberal arts or social science background applying for graduate school in math/science/engineering. The closest cases I've heard of over the years were folks who either minored in math, and/or took some more higher level math courses beyond freshman calculus, linear algebra, and statistics. A few other cases I've heard of were folks who worked in a university or government lab on some research projects, and were able to get some reference letters and/or even their name on some papers published in a half-decent peer-reviewed journal. Other than that, it seems to be more of a longshot in going from liberal arts/social science to math/science/engineering, than the other way around. On the other side of the coin in an unrelated way, I’ve heard of many stories about graduate admissions committees in less “scientific” areas, from folks who have served on them. In some departments like economics, business, finance, law, etc … many folks have mentioned they actually prefer applicants with a math/science/engineering background, than a liberal arts or social science background. This is the case even if the applicants with the math/science/engineering background have very little to no background knowledge of economics, business, finance, law, etc …. My best guess is that they must think that folks with a math/science/engineering background have an easier time picking up a new field of study relatively quickly. (I don’t believe admissions committes are doing this because of a lack of “qualified” applicants).

I haven’t heard as much about the coverse case, with somebody with a liberal arts or social science background applying for graduate school in math/science/engineering. The closest cases I’ve heard of over the years were folks who either minored in math, and/or took some more higher level math courses beyond freshman calculus, linear algebra, and statistics. A few other cases I’ve heard of were folks who worked in a university or government lab on some research projects, and were able to get some reference letters and/or even their name on some papers published in a half-decent peer-reviewed journal.

Other than that, it seems to be more of a longshot in going from liberal arts/social science to math/science/engineering, than the other way around.

]]> By: Peter Woit http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-3158 Peter Woit Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188#comment-3158 I don't personally know anything about how Witten was admitted to Princeton, but I'd guess he took some courses at Brandeis in math and physics, did well in them and did very well on his GREs. His father was a physicist, so he probably picked up a lot of math and physics growing up. From looking at a lot of graduate school admission folders, I can say that the kind of thing one looks for is 1. some excellent letters of recommendation 2. excellent performance in at least a few higher level courses 3. excellent standardized test scores. Its quite possible Witten managed to put together these for his application, even though he majored in a non-scientific subject. I don’t personally know anything about how Witten was admitted to Princeton, but I’d guess he took some courses at Brandeis in math and physics, did well in them and did very well on his GREs. His father was a physicist, so he probably picked up a lot of math and physics growing up. From looking at a lot of graduate school admission folders, I can say that the kind of thing one looks for is

1. some excellent letters of recommendation

2. excellent performance in at least a few higher level courses

3. excellent standardized test scores.

Its quite possible Witten managed to put together these for his application, even though he majored in a non-scientific subject.

]]> By: anon http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-3159 anon Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188#comment-3159 Yah, I'm sorta curious how that's possible too. (the previous poster's question) Yah, I’m sorta curious how that’s possible too. (the previous poster’s question)

]]> By: quantumhobby http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-3160 quantumhobby Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188#comment-3160 How could Ed Witten have been accepted into the applied math program at Princeton without having majored in math or physics as an undergrad? I thought you needed to have recommendations and a demonstrated potential for research to get into a top-notch grad program in the sciences. I majored in business as an undergrad and I always assumed it would be impossible to get into a good graduate science program, coming from that background. I know Witten is a brilliant guy, but it seems like that must have been difficult, even for him. How could Ed Witten have been accepted into the applied math program at Princeton without having majored in math or physics as an undergrad? I thought you needed to have recommendations and a demonstrated potential for research to get into a top-notch grad program in the sciences. I majored in business as an undergrad and I always assumed it would be impossible to get into a good graduate science program, coming from that background. I know Witten is a brilliant guy, but it seems like that must have been difficult, even for him.

]]> By: Alejandro Rivero http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-3161 Alejandro Rivero Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188#comment-3161 should we link this thread to the previous comments of Lubos blog about the left-windy side of physics? should we link this thread to the previous comments of Lubos blog about the left-windy side of physics?

]]> By: Peter Woit http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-3162 Peter Woit Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188#comment-3162 I believe that Witten graduated from Brandeis in 1971 with a major in history and a minor in linguistics. He published an article in the Nation in 1968 when he was 17, but I don't think he ever worked for them. He did work on the 1972 McGovern campaign, then entered graduate school at Princeton in 1973 (he started in the applied math program, soon switched over to the physics department). I believe that Witten graduated from Brandeis in 1971 with a major in history and a minor in linguistics. He published an article in the Nation in 1968 when he was 17, but I don’t think he ever worked for them. He did work on the 1972 McGovern campaign, then entered graduate school at Princeton in 1973 (he started in the applied math program, soon switched over to the physics department).

]]> By: R Gambi http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-3163 R Gambi Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188#comment-3163 Wilczek's contribution was pretty cool. He read a few excerpts from Einstein and Minskowski's original papers on relativity. Wilczek’s contribution was pretty cool. He read a few excerpts from Einstein and Minskowski’s original papers on relativity.

]]> By: anon http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-3164 anon Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188#comment-3164 I don't know if this is true, but I heard Witten orginally graduated from Brandeis with a degree in Journalism (or a related field?), and only after a brief stint with the Nation, did he choose to become a physicist. In a way, it's not terribly surprising, but still cool. (Is this story true, or just urban legend?) He should do more of this stuff. Very cool guy. I don’t know if this is true, but I heard Witten orginally graduated from Brandeis with a degree in Journalism (or a related field?), and only after a brief stint with the Nation, did he choose to become a physicist. In a way, it’s not terribly surprising, but still cool. (Is this story true, or just urban legend?)

He should do more of this stuff. Very cool guy.

]]> By: Alan R. http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-3165 Alan R. Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188#comment-3165 Frank Wilczek has apparently joined in, too. His name appears on the list of speakers. http://www.princeton.edu/~petehill/filibuster.html Frank Wilczek has apparently joined in, too. His name appears on the list of speakers.

http://www.princeton.edu/~petehill/filibuster.html

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188&cpage=1#comment-3166 Anonymous Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=188#comment-3166 Does this make them liberals, or merely respectful of Senate traditions? Does this make them liberals, or merely respectful of Senate traditions?

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